Then in a different part of Southampton not so affected by the intense efforts to knock out the Woolston Supermarine Works. Padwell Rd in the Inner Avenue area. Some bods were drinking in their local and a German fighter plane crash landed. The pilot survived but dazed. The locals dragged him out of the wreckage and stood him drinks in the pub while waiting for the relevant authorities to take him away.
This agrees with the 1:2500 map of 1934 and the 1:1250 map of 1948 showing a walled complex of morgue,VD clinic and another unamed building to which the wall of interest is externally associated. This anonymous building has 2 covered, maybe, veranda areas. In 1921 this building appears in Borough Engineers plans as the County Borough Disinfecting station. It is recorded as this in Kelly's including 1940. If this is it then the verandas make sense as do the mention of 2 pairs of brothers .Isolation of familial contacts for smallpox or whatever is more likely than 2 brothers getting clap from the same source.
There remains one mystery the script on the wall is on the public side of the wall not inside the enclosure.
ps e-m received 3 May,2001
Nigel,
My brother M found your web page, http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/graff.htm and called me.
Our father was stationed in England during the war, H. L. Eatherington, from Zion, Illinois.
How incredible to see your picture -- of his signature on the wall, his graffiti. I hope you are successful in preserving the wall! Let us know if we can help.
F. Eatherington daughter of H. L. , and sister to M., P. and D. Eatherington
January 2002 the ivy was cut back off this wall and there is now official confirmation from the City Council that this wall in fact belongs to the hotel not the council.
To save emailed enquiries to me trying to locate this wall. On http://local.live.com/ enter postcode SO15 1AG, the graffiti wall is under the tree just to the SE of the distinctive octagonal roof of part of the hotel. Blue Anchor Lane is now only a footpath so not on maps The overlaid red circle on MAP represents roughly (centre should be other side of Bugle St) Tudor House (postcode SO14 2AD ) Museum The lane starts along the right hand wall of the museum in that pic and goes down to Blue Anchor Lane arch which is in Western Esplanade, the graffiti wall is then roughly on the opposite side of the Esplande to this archway in the medieval wall, the old wall viewed to the right through this arch encloses the tudor garden and bower behind the museum.
The Historical Mystery Explained?
I did a bit more research and have identified the building next to this wall. It was the Borough Disinfecting Station. in 1940. I have seen the 1921 engineers plans for the building and it would appear to be for disinfecting vehicles not people.
Some more wartime evocations, some of the window glass of Hut 4. Bletchley Park, not mentioned on their site so detailed here
The hut next to the mansion that moved 1m off its foundations when a bomb landed in soft ground and exploded deep about 50 foot away. Presumably glass replaced after the bombing and then covered in gummed strip. The trace of gum still there over 60 years later. Most of the window glass is modern , but some original panes remain. The modern glass is clean, so not some moodern themed evening event, confirmed by one of the seventy-something guides. Sitting in the cafe I noticed some of the window glass was old slightly bubbled and rippled and then if you view at the right angle then you can see the X marks.
Canadian carved graffiti
This one in the residential part of Freemantle but as a private address then not disclosed any more than that. No one locally has the foggiest explanation for the carvings. Needs a close-up lens to photograph properly, I'll take one the next time I visit. The house was a cobblers at some point in its past. As the carvings are between 4ft 6in and 6 ft 6in off the ground and perfect spelling and almost stonemason quality carving ,very unlikely to be children.
Carved pictures of native Canadian raised prow fore and aft canoes and wigwams etc . Only one text seemed a bit child-like. "SILVER MINE AND GOLD MINE HIDDEN 1878 HORSEHEAD MONTAIN" There was even some script that looked runic the up-arrow for "t", inverted Y for "c" , single S of the nazi SS symbol of "i umlaut", cross of "n" or "a" and Y for "k"
Other scripts, each one occupying just one brick , so surprisingly small script.
"THE DARING SCOUT A SKILLED GUIDE A BOLD RIDER AND A BRAVE TRAPPER" with a bowie knife and a scimitar shaped blade
"31 FT NORTH CANADIAN SCOUTS 1868 / 1872"
"PRISS THE TIGER 1862 TO 1871 CAME INTO THIS HOUSE 1887"
"TRAPPER TIM AND PRISS THE SCOUT WHEN THEY CAME IN THE BOYS TURNED OUT"
close up of the 31FT
"31 FT NORTH CANADIAN SCOUT RAYMOND P PARKES KNOWN IN THE FAR WEST AS PRISS THE TIGER ?R DARING ?L OF 9 YEARS"
A badge with shield shape with an up-pointed fletched arrow on either side, upper left quarter of the shield letters "UI" , top right 1/4 something like 2 interlocked pitchfork heads (interlocked E and reversed E but turned through 90 degrees), lower left 1/4 a heart and lower R 1/4 a shape like a deer-head face on
a very intriguing house with shingled roof, a door and 4-pane window at ground level but 3 arrow slit type windows on the upper floor
a couple of crosses and faces etc.
There was a Victor Parkes , carver and gilder in the 1895 Kellys at the address. He was probably the father of Raymond Parkes and grandfather of Raymond Percy Parkes in the 1881 census shows a Raymond Parkes (head) and Raymond Parkes (son).
My conjecture - It was probably a Victor Parkes , carver and gilder, who carved the bricks. Something like Spike Milligan's Elfin Oak in Kensington - to enchant children. He probably carved them in 1887, for his son Raymond Parkes' children, his grandchildren, as a sort of picture book. It would be interesting if just 2 letters FT rather than ST and the carefully carved native Canadian context pictures directed back to a Canadian origin for the otherwise unknown Victor Parkes. Remains the question , why so high off the ground if intended for children ? The 31FT reference is in, as far as anyone knows, to the ficticious "31 FT North Canadian Scouts" having these presumed adventures in the wilds of Canada. More pics of the brick carvings
Trapper
face
wigwam
cross
31FT
wigwam
cross
31FT
badge
scimitar
face
Some other local pages
Bitterne Park
St Denys
Peartree Green
Added here for no particular reason other than I could find no internet reference. I visited Bishop's Waltham , Hampshire and noticed a number of chimney pots with a fired-in white line around the pots about 3 or 4 inches down from the top. I asked a local builder working on a nearby job if he knew what these white rings represented. I seemed to have picked just the right person to ask. An ancestor of his had worked for the local Blanchards terracotta factory. It was their trade mark, in effect, for their chimney pots. Unless you got to Fareham or Porchester and they claim them for themselves or maybe 2 line/3 line or wavey line variants
Mansard roof at 172 Castle St, Porchester
Ditto
High St, Fareham with one of their early 1897 civic electric light lampposts pipped to the post by Godalming
High St, Fareham
A complex roofscape behind 46 ? High St, Fareham
A small study on Mathematical Tiles
Unusually, yellow "bricks " at 69 High St, Fareham
A close up of the front with where someone had screwed back some of the slipped tiles, showing the screw heads
If anyone disbelieves these are tiles then a couple of views around the side at the points marked with red "V" s.
Looking around the side test, courtesy of Alec Clifton-Taylor from when he visited Lewes. Mathematical tiles , presumably because of their irregular thickness, would seem to be very difficult to make dimensionally stable, see the ones on Friends Meeting House, Winchester , somewhat warped. Another local example - on the Natwest bank in the middle of Romsey.
Herbert Collins Trail
Herbert Collins Trail
The full file contains a lot of pictures so only the text and thumbnails placed here.
I wonder if there is an image processing plug-in for auto-removal of wheelie bins ? Blue numbers on the map indicate the photo number and the blue line the direction found in and around the map.
Its that frisson of contrast with the lime-green weed that has drifted down from the upper Itchen over the monotonal fluvial mud, failing to disguise the all too familiar man-made forms. As others have also appreciated this pic I've uploaded a higher resolution version of the image. Anyone care to sponsor me, to re-create this image as an installation for the Tate Modern ?
There are more HC houses in Southampton eg Thornhill Park Estate, Ascupart House Portswood Rd, medieval Bitterne Manor House conversion and addition etc, if anyone shows interest I could do a followup. Council car parks are marked with red "P", the one at Parkville Rd, opposite Market Buildings, Swaythling has an impressive display of tag graffiti.
Herbert Collins Trail
More walks in the Southampton area
Doe anyone know of an index of these HC site walks? http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/109/2/
http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/30/2/
http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/103/2/
http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/121/2/
http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/135/2/
http://herbertcollins.co.uk/home/content/view/78/2/
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/leisure/events/july-september/Jane-Austen-Trail-and-Other-Walks.asp
http://www.whitenap.plus.com/itchen/itchen_acess.htm
http://www.britishwalks.org/walks/Counties/Hampshire/index.php
The Japanese ethic of 2 storey homes at Meggesson Avenue, converted shipping containers
Right next to an electricity substation , at the right of the lower pic
Some Further Observations
Off topic but an interesting play on words.About 1982 to 1984 at the local newspaper "The Evening Echo" there was a matter of pride in sub-editors smuggling homonyms into titles and getting them past the editor.
Probably the best one to get through and be printed was the headline
ARRESTED MAN HAD PISTOL DOWN HIS TROUSERS
Does anyone recall another more recent such headline? Something like "Locals: mass debate over mobile phone mast"
Does anyone have any recollection of the following. A few months after the start of the Southampton Advertiser ,freesheet. A mother's son had just been put inside and she was disposing of some of his stuff in the Advertiser. Text of ad read something like " SAWN-OFF SHOTGUN FOR SALE, NO LONGER REQUIRED, USED ONCE - CONTACT ...... MILLBROOK TOWERS"
There is an expression ,probably Pompey navy slang, "Getting off at Fratton" even the ozzies have there own variant referring to Sydney something like " Getting off at Redfern". Could we have a version "Getting off at St Denys" . They are all the penultimate railway stations to a destination alluding to coitus interruptus.
In Memorium to some street characters.
"Maryland" for busking in Above Bar defending his pitch with determination.
The "violinist" in the subway next Kingsland Market. Any donations to him were in a vain effort to shut him up.
Ruth Mary Bundy for outraging public morals. I was told she was a nurse before personal difficulty and descending to the street. I got hold of her collar and dragged her from a totally unlit part of the middle of Duke's Rd one night. She was collapsed and out of it and I dragged her onto the pavement. She never swore at me after that. She had a habit ,summertime ,of patrolling Bevois Valley and reaching through open windows of the pubs and nicking people's drinks.
The tramp at the bottom end of town whose clothing was rags tied together with bits of coat-hanger wire.
The following I stumbled on in the Echo archive looking for something else.
Taken from p4 ,04 August 1973
Accompanying text: Meet Julian
This chap has been seen around Southampton for some time now,and said that he didn't mind at all if we took a picture of his amazing get-up.
He wears - by the look of it - everything that he can get his hands on....several jackets and coats,various pairs of gloves ,scarves and trousers. On top all that,he's adorned with plastic sheeting,strips of rag and newspapers,and odd shoes.
He said his name is Julian Barrett,and that he came to England from British Guyana. He speaks at such a rate that it's difficult to follow him but he says he has no real destinction. When the photographer ( Holmes) found him he was sitting on a wall about 200 yards from where he'd been the previous day.
Next
The retired schoolteacher who lived near Mount Pleasant Rd who took his guinea pig for walks on a lead. He moved on from ice-skating to wearing a monkey costume and skateboarding along the roads. Diving down the subways much to the annoyance of the cops who he always managed to evade.
Again slightly off topic now but a curious local story
In the churchyard of Pear Tree Church (Jesus Chapel) Woolston Southampton next to the church is the following recumbent memorial stone to one of (part Woolston) Itchen Ferry's lost sons
Sacred to the memory of
Richard Parker aged 17
Who died at sea July 25th 1884 after nineteen days dreadful suffering in an open boat in the tropics having been wrecked in the yacht Mignonette.
Neatly sidestepping the gory details about him being cannibalised by the surviving crew. For anyone surviving in similar circumstances make sure you stick to the story that you drew lots before selecting and killing your foodstuff.
To save me writing up I take the liberty to cross-link to The Story of the Mignonette
The following is part of the three column report on the 5 Dec 1884 in The Times,page 3 . For any local history,legal history or maritime history bods I have a printed version of the whole article.
Report of the trial in The Times
And truth stranger than fiction the Edgar Allan Poe prediction ? http://www.psychics.co.uk/coincidences/cannibal.html
Another odd death , of Douglas R G Lane, killed by lightning, grave in Southampton Old Cemetary on the common
Some odd and interesting snippets of local history Hampshire Chronicle - What we said
Stone coffin in St Denys Church originally from the priory of St Dionysius nearby, big enough for someone 6 foot 8 inches. Locals to Priory Close / nearby Priory Rd area speak of hearing ghostly bells in the middle of the night on some occasions.
A jumbled collection of encaustic tiles from St Denys Priory (built 1127 ) also displayed in the church
This church has a very old organ , transfered recently , but originally built 1756 with maybe part of it built in 1690.
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VIEW OF THE GASWORKS FROM ARMLEY ROAD TOILETS
There now follows a plug for The Candleclub,Southampton
This is a very popular amateur performance show held Monday evenings at the Talking Heads pub,Portswood Rd. Now with top notch sound system .I don't think any act has been refused but is usually singer / songwriter /guitarist.
Any Petomanes out there? or Zapadnyj Sajan Tuvan throat singers?.
It is non-profit,free entry for performers (just turn up on the night,early,to book a 10 minute slot) and free entry for audience. By consensus and audience reaction the most appreciated act is invited to a monthly half hour showcase. There is easily an audience of 180 and 12 to 15 acts. No one is ever booed off stage, those first timers who make a hash of it usually get a resounding applause for effort and not sarcasm or derision.
Soon after they started it Clive and Simeon were running into problems with acts going over their alotted time slot. I said they should install a bank of 3 coloured lights as used on the podium of political conferences. Clive said his brother had hanging around a set of traditional traffic lights. So I said I would convert them with adjustable timers for an unmistakeable stage reminder. Adjustable times because about 10 minutes on the Mondays and 30 minutes on the Sundays. No more disapointments for acts squeezed out at the end of the evening.
An inside tip for anyone wanting to increase their chance of a halfhour session - turn up on a Bank Holiday Monday as few acts turn up on those days.
And a puff for a duo from the Bournemouth area , I'm surprised the search-engines have grabbed their site as it is all graphics and absolutely no text Bang Lassy or is it Jo & Karen or Doris & Dotty or Rose-Anna and Deardrie or now even Sister Bernadette and Sister Agnes they could at least put some of their inventively disgusting comic lyrics on the site - the down-side of reincarnation - Dolly the Toilet Roll Cover, Larry Takes it All or the twisted homage to Marilyn Manson's doting mother or the love paean to Alan Titchmarsh or Never Been a She (transvestisism) or the Transylvanian delights of a necrophiliac marriage, Kate Bush's Withering Tights (from fungal infection). Now political satire as Maggie Thatcher and John Major and even a 'ventriloquism' act of sorts and more dodgey puppetry with The Killing of Zippy and George new for 2006. a professional review of Bang Lassy
Keywords that have landed at this Southampton Graffiti file
The quirky word combinations that people have put in search-engines and end up at this file, updated monthly, or until it gets boring , " two foot long personel wind mill set" ?, "shoes with graffiti " ?
Even gets a mention on a French Wiki page
Even the Orkneys has had one for ages, belatedly Soton has joined the Café Scientifique movement, specifically
Café Scientifique (Southampton) Open to the public lectures with a science theme, third ? thursdays or second to last? thursdays of the month, at 7pm, Starbucks Coffee Shop on the first floor of the Borders Bookshop, Unit 9, West Quay Retail Park, West Quay Road, Southampton.
Tunnel under Southampton Water and Bog Bodies
Good internet fare , little known tunnel, aliens, men in white coats, conspiracy, cover-up and bodies,
Firstly from www.fld.org.uk/pdf/full_report.pdf
The Scope for Undergrounding Overhead Electricity Lines
Table 2.1 Southampton Water Tunnel, 400kV, 1962, a 3.2km section of line was undergrounded under Southampton Water, preferred to an overhead crossing by the CEGB for amenity, engineering and system security reasons
Cut down pic of one bog body
Fawley/Cadland Bog Bodies, full picture
"Mr Dunn, a neighbour of Alan Murray, worked on the foundations of Fawley Power Station in about 1965. The Transmission Tunnel for electricity lines under Southampton Water and the Outfall Tunnel for discharge of cooling water into the Solent were being excavated at Fawley at this time. Mr Dunn remember that as they dug down they went through some sand and then through a "peat bog". He claims that in the peat they found some bodies which seemed to him to look like "alien figures". A sketch by Alan Murray based on what has been remembered by Mr Dunn is shown here, but should be treated with caution because it is not meant to be accurate but only a representation of the general appearance of the remains. If bodies did exist then the strange appearance of the bodies may have been the result of effective mummification in the peat. When the find was made the workers were ordered to stop work. Quite soon some people in white coats, whom Mr Dunn thought came from Southampton University, took away the bodies. Excavation work started again. He says he has enquired about these bodies, but has never been able to find out where they are or anything about them. No-one from Southampton University seems to know anything about them, and Ian West was in the Geology Department then and had not heard of them."
Tunnel under Southampton Water and Bog Bodies
This story also explored further in the Southampton Daily Echo / Heritage section p11 & 12, 15 July 2006 but never appeared in their web archive, the new material only from that report is
Strange case of Dicky Dunn and the bog bodies
By Sally Churchward
It is one of Hampshire's great mysteries. It has it all- strange alien-looking bodies, mysteri-ous people in white coats, a possible cover-up and a lot of unanswered questions. It could have come straight out of The X-Files. More than 40 years later the truth about the Fawley bog bodies is still not known. Unconfirmed stories have been circulating in the Hampshire archaeological community and in pubs for decades about two alien-like bodies that were supposedly found by men excavating at Fawley power station. The actual facts of about what really happened are as sketchy as they are tantalising. Reportedly a man called Dennis "Dicky" Dunn from Shakespeare Avenue, Totton, was working on shafts being tunnelled at Fawley in about 1965. Having dug down about 75 feet they came to a layer of peat. Here they were shocked to discover what appeared to be two small bodies, about four feet long, of alien-like appearance. Work was stopped and some people in white coats came and removed the bodies -and they were never heard of again. Later on Mr Dunn asked the foreman what had happened to the bodies and was told that no bodies had been found - they had just been tree trunks. He then contacted the Daily Echo to see if anyone had heard anything and spoke to a gravedigger at Fawley Church to see if the bodies had been reburied but no one knew anything. Sadly Mr Dunn died in February but his wife Doreen still vividly remembers when he came home from work and told her what he had seen. "He said there were some fingers from the bodies that had broken off and he wished he'd kept them," she said. "He was always convinced that he'd sen the bodies. At the time lots of the men he worked with used to come to our house and they were all talking about seeing the bodies." There were lots of Irish workers in Mr Dunn's team and he and his wife suspected that the bodies may have been taken to Ireland where they were subsequently "discovered".
On the Horizon documentary about Lindow Man there was reference to a lot of these bog bodies disappearing soon after moder-times discovery but not enlarged upon.
More cultural achievement in Southampton
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/630747.stm Friday, 4 February, 2000, 11:39 GMT The 2,700-year-old bike rack Eyptian statue Staff leaned their bikes against the statue Archaeologists used to treasures from far-away temples are hailing one unearthed rather closer to home - behind the staff bicycles in a Hampshire cellar. A 2,700-year-old statue of the Egyptian king Taharqa has reportedly been found in the basement of the God's House Tower archaeological museum in Southampton, after being ignored for a century. Staff used it to lean their bicycles against - but no-one realised the 27-inch statue's importance until two Egyptologists came to visit the museum.
A plug for local bike enthusiast, repairer, maintainer and seller of all sorts of second-hand bicycles : contact Mark in Shirley, tel 02380 637605
On Ibsley Common on the other side of the new forest is an octagonal brick building, something to do with the WWII airfield and radio/radar mast. inside it is the usual collection of peoples names and dates, plus the graffiti 'The night conceals the world but reveals the universe' in big white letters. Quite unexpected. Pictures here:
'The night conceals the world but reveals the universe'
Octagonal building - JC
Which naturally segues into this odd octagonal brick construction on St Denys Road directly opposite Portswood Police Station. Built when the present bus garage was constructed this construction encloses the air handling filters for the fallout shelter - but for who ?. Access is under Portswood police station and via a 7 by 7 foot connecting tunnel under the road, not from the bus garage. Should make life interesting for the conveyancing solicitors exchanging ownership from First Direct to Sainsbury's before building their new supermarket on the site. June 2009 the planning consent public notices are out - presumably the bunker will be retained under the public open space or carparks. If you go to aerial view/map site http://local.live.com/ and put in postcode SO17 2GN its what appears as a small black circle at that resolution, and looking directly down into the vent, about a roads width NE of the KEEP CLEAR marking in St Denys Rd. Something to do on a wet afternoon - find the postcodes of UK police stations and look on aerial view sites for other black holes associated with them.
Other Southampton bunkers Roman Drive/ Sports Centre Bassett; Wyndham House, near the central railway station, access from the underground carpark; undercroft under the old student union building of Southampton University; under the Prudential Building and tunnel extending under Above Bar, of all crazy places under the gasboard tower block St Marys road and under the guildhall carpark at the civic centre.
The real 400 yearold or so giant can be found just NNE of postcode DT2 7LS in a rectangular fence? border, his feet to the west.
at postcode location SO15 7QU
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2002927,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1 http://map.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.school&cp=sgn9p8gwf5nt&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=4316486 Schoolyard penis seen from space Press Association Wednesday January 31, 2007 EducationGuardian.co.uk Two pupils who drew a giant penis on a school lawn using weed killer two years ago can still admire their work from satellite photos now posted on the internet. Despite the school re-seeding the area, the penis has turned up on satellite image search engines because a photo was taken before the new grass could conceal the appendage. The unnamed pair of year 11 pupils from Bellemoor school for boys in Southampton, burned the 6-metre (20ft) phallus into the grass as an end of term joke.
The world's first graffiti well worth a visit
Some home-grown buried on this site
Maes Howe ,Orkneys, Viking runic graffiti
Banksy - stencil graffiti artist ,note his handle had to be a scriptform that could be cut into stencil
One place I did not expect to see graffiti is scratched into the stone-work in the cloister/quad/chappel area of stiff-collared Winchester College, obviously not expunged over the centuries. Also in Winchester, the Westgate some very ornate 17th century prisoner graffiti.
Some high-brow 1843 graffitti celebrating the eureka moment of mathematician William Rowan Hamilton inventing quaternions at Brougham Bridge on the Royal Canal, Dublin
A celebration of street culture - including links to the like of the Japanese museum of man-hole covers
And a few eclectic sites
Extreme Ironing
A different slant on the hoax moon landing conspiracies or
http://web.archive.org/web/20030602181024/http://www.dc8p.com/html/moonhoax.html
HMG - Preparing for Emergencies
The Joy of Socks
Not exactly Sotherby's
The Pilchard Museum
2B or not 2B
The loneliest phone booth in the world (Mojave Desert ) and here photos
The gentrified bus shelter on Unst
If you ever doubted Asperger's Syndrome and maleness were synonymous
How to build better sandcastles
How to build the best paper airplane
human pedal-powered hovercraft, www.steamboatwilly.org, because I would not have thought it was possible
Ballooning about
Wish I thought of it first
The original Shakesperean Insult Kit , on archive
The garden Gnome Liberation Front
Anyone any pics of the house at the corner of Alma Rd and Portswood road when it was infested with gnomes ?
The Barbie Liberation Organisation
Naughtie Harry Potter Broomsticks
or http://web.archive.org/web/20031207011003/http://methodshop.com/fun/sexy/PottersStick/index.stm
What you didn't know about treehouses and perhaps related
The "Mornington Crescent" of Usenet group uk.rec.sheds
Talking of sheds, this person (known to the writer ) and the delivery of his glorified wendy house. My shed required the labour of myself and a girl to move into the back garden. This one was a 2.1 ton, including hook, lift costing 800 quid. Full jib reach required so jib could be poked up through a gap in the phone wires, hook dropped and shed lifted, off the lorry, through another gap in the wires a long way down the road
Outriggers on pavements with 6 inch space to garden wall
No wheels on the ground
The day the media circus descended on St Denys to doorstep the husband of the Luton MP, Margaret Moran, with a supposed dry-rot cured second home at the "seaside" in Southampton, one crew doorstepping from 06.45 to 15.30 in the afternoon.
Finally if anyone knows the wherabouts of the following website could they tell me. Apparently somewhere on the internet is someone who has created a collection of pictures of women standing in puddles. Nothing sexual or scatalogical just ordinary circumstances but women standing (not walking ) in puddles. It could only be on the internet.
Now because of overwhelming number of contacts from people October 2006, presumably due to the excessive media publicity about what was falsely deemed the highest tides for 25 years. Amazingly, apparently nothing on the internet, this sort of local flood info or even nationally when future high tide days occur through the year, presumably because companies want to sell their tide tables. Hardly anything of any use on http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/flood/
5 metre tide covering the path , Janaway Gardens, St Denys
And because you can easily find the tide times for Dover in national newspapers and national TV teletext but not the times for Southampton and I could not find the conversion factors on the internet.
For Springs - First High Water at Southampon Dock Head is about 15 minutes earlier than Dover and about 2 metres less than the heights expressed for Dover
For Neaps - First High Water at Southampton Dock Head is between 10 and 45 minutes earlier and 1.5 metres less, beware of any GMT/BST differences.
Second High Water is about 1 1/2 hours later and lower height
Corrections (highly weather dependent ) for Redbridge is about 5 minutes earlier than Dock Head HW, and Woodmill about 10 minutes earlier than Dock Head HW.
Low Water is about 6 hours after first High Water. And the general tidal advance on corresponding tides about 50 minutes per day.
A useful facility , predicted and near actual from tideguages around the country but not Soton near real time National Tide Gauge Network View the following with caution Bramble Bank water-level was always "higher" than Dockhead spring, neap, high or low , any barometric, wind direction/strength or any other time. Was, May 2006 average 0.7m higher, June 2006 average about 1.1m higher. Where was all this water continually flowing downhill into Southampton Water going - isn't technology wonderful.? July they corrected the system. Then it got really bad in August a tide high enough to get a ship to Winchester, 55.7 metres
Southampton - Dock Head - 17:41 19/8/2006
Wind
Mean Speed 15 kts (F4)
Highest Gust 19 kts (F5)
Direction 236°
Sea Conditions
Tidal Height 55.7 m
For anyone interested this is part of a chart of 1698 (before the 1703 great storm) showing "The Bramble"
the Solent of 1698
" The River of Southampton (with? ) the situation of Bursleton Beauley & Lymington" I made it 11.3 sea miles from Hurst point to Calshot Castle on a modern chart and 12.64 miles on the old map. Converting 11.3 by 6000/5280 gives 12.84 so it must be land miles , so Bramble was then 1.65 miles long. It would seem to be an accurate map of coastal and marine features, with a scale in miles, probably land miles. The drying height shapes/extent around the shore are much the same as a modern chart. The drying bank/ island? marked Y as the Bramble is about 1.65 miles from X to X. In other words about the 2m depth (below datum) line on a modern chart, not the current small patch with a drying height maximum of 1m above chart datum. Was it ever an island , with brambles perhaps ? lost in one of the earlier great channel storms. As no second contour at Y then probably no island then.
With a high tide measuring 5.0m at Dock Head via near real time VTS met and tides info the corresponding level of water at Priory Road Hard/slip , St Denys was 0.53m below the top level of the concrete ramp of the hard. About 4 bays of railings down on the down-stream side and about 3 bays on the up-stream side. Each bay of railings on the down-stream side corresponds to about 0.13m difference in height on this hard. With a predicted 4.8m tide but 5.0m at Dock Head because air pressure was 1004mB. The level at dock head, at high water, that corresponds to over-topping at Priory Rd hard would be about 5.5m.
The next 4 photos are for 5m tide
Priory Hard with a 5.2m tide (Dock Head) on 05 Dec 2006 at about 10.30, with the drift line 3 barriers down the ramp, 0.5m higher than 4.7m prediction probably mainly due to severe SW gales in the channel, Plymouth and Dover did not show surges due to the low off the north of Scotland.
"millionaire row" with a 5.2m tide
The tide-mark for 5m is actually the brown twig line to the left of the life belt rack. The 5m line at this point at Pettinger gardens , the concrete structure just upstream of the house boats is 0.17m below the ledge marked with 2 red lines in the next pic.
Pettinger Gardens wiith a 5.2m tide, with life belt point in the water.
Dyer's Boatyard at Cobden Bridge with a 5.2m (Dock Head) tide
Riverside Park under a 5.2m tide, also slippery road sign that has been there about 10 years.
I've seen a high tide across the river path and grass up to about where the small tree is , so substantially more than 5m. Cobden bridge must be near unique for having allowed car parking along its length for most of the day. I assume because it was built wide with a tram-line across it but only to Bitterne Triangle as of a 1910 map.
Part of this St Denys Rd tramline emerged at the railway bridge works, Nov 2009, including the original cobbles (C) between the rails (R) and tiebar (T). Four inches of tarmac laid straight over the top.
Another aside - the "new" Itchen Bridge was built in the mid 1970s. The pier second in towards Woolston, from mid-stream, was built at the height of the 1976 drought. Despite bringing in large water pumps and spraying the formwork, the concrete , already exothermic, was still getting far too hot for proper strong concrete. Someone made the decision not to demolish that pier. Anyone know the date, for the floating bridges were still operating, what day there was an extremely low low water in the Itchen. One "bridge" bottomed-out and the other, when at the land had to be continually edged into stream to stop it grounding too. There was so little water left in the Itchen that not only the slab section below the tarmac on the hards was exposed but perhaps 40 foot of mud to tramp through. Exposed in this mud just where the bridge ramps would smash it normally, was a Cod's Wallob marble stopped bottle buried in the mud, presumably undisturbed for decades.
Unfortunately the level at which water comes up the storm drain system, immediately, no time lag, into the gutter in Priory Rd at the hard is only 5.1m, not many people realise that. The picture below is for a 5m tide, the leaves are nothing to do with the situation, as soon as the tide goes down then so does the water in the drain. According to the highways dept this road drain system is connected to a flap-valve river outfall just upstream Cobden Bridge and 3 at Saltmead so the river water probably enters at those points.
Doing the Priory Rd shuffle with a 5.2m tide at the hard, also evidence of the leaves piled on the pavemnent that one of the locals still believes that this sort of flooding is due to leaves blocking the drains - wrong.
I would have thought it was an easy internet task to couple this pic with one of the far better examples from Bosham. The Anchor Bleu on Shore Rd has dozens of such pics in the pub but a paucity on the net. This is the only one I could find.
Bosham marine car park
If atmospheric pressure drops to 965 mBar then the water height can increase by 0.8m. Tide table heights are expressed for a standard atmosphere of 1013mBar, from that there is a neat correction that for each 1mBar drop in air pressure then tide height can rise (not fall) 1 cm. Those heights also relate to above lowest astronomically predicted local low water heights so not a countrywide correspondence between tide height and Ordnance Survey land spot heights. The corresponding land-based spot heights from the 1:1250 scale OS map is 2.4m for Priory Rd crown of road adjascent to the hard, 3.0m at nearest 2 road junctions, only one bench mark remains at the railway bridge on the north side, 3.28m so by as bit of trig the lowest gutter level under the bridge is 2.43m .
5.2m tide level coming up through the drains at this railway bridge.
For the 5.6m tide of 10 Mar 2008 the water under the bridge reached level 0.48m below the benchmark. So 5.6m tide at dock head correlated to OS heigt of 2.80m. For 5.2m tide correlated to 2.48m OS. Not knowing which would be more accurate , unknown wind effects between Dock Head and St Denys, lag in sewer system etc then taking average of these 2 results, then subtract 2.76m from tide height gives Ordnance Survey spot height (about ).
Anyone curious about all this - position yourself at the dip under the railway at Kent Rd. With a high tide of only 4.5m you can hear and see the water flowing in the road drain system. It will not rise up and overflow the drain (requires about 5.26m ) but is flowing on, into and below Belgrave rd road level etc.
Using a 14m long ,1/8 inch bore clear polythene tube manometer. Check for lack of bubbles in the water first, by positioning open ends together and suspending over a long drop , bigger than 1/8 inch would give quicker response time. Assuming uniform slope for Ivy Road then that slope from South Rd to Priory Rd is about 8.1 in 1000. I was not the only person to think that despite many mentions of global warming/sea level rises, there is less flooding now than in past years. Does anyone have any photos of this local flooding ? Is anyone aware of a locally organised flood warning system for this area ?, separate from Environment Agency flood warden system , as I suppose with melting Antartica/Greenland etc this area is more likely to flood than just the odd rare tide. Flooding in Priory Rd on Sunday 17 Dec 1989 was to OS height of about 2.9m. I've not found an official record of this flood height othe rthan "southwesterly storms combined with a surge of excess of 1 metre" but was higher than the 10 Mar 2008 flooding by 0.1 to 0.2m so 1989 tide height about 5.7m. It is often stated that the historical highest tide at Souithampton was 27 November 1924.
Apologies for my choices of colour, the purple and red are not too different. The blue line is what the 1953 Canvey Island surge would be and the 30 January 1607 Bristol Channel inundation surge of 7.5m would be half way up the hill between Osborne Rd and Belmont Rd. That day Lymington had 5 foot of flooding, 70mph winds locally and 115mph in Cornwall. Predicted tide was only 4.1m but barometric was a very low 968mB, nearest depression was about 956mB in channel approaches 340 miles away at noon 17 Dec and 972mB 220 miles away noon on 18 Dec. Also local flooding on Sunday 4 Dec 1994 when Hamble had 2 foot of water, barometric was high at about 1008mB but 4.9m predicted tide height. Nearest depression was about 972mB 740 miles away in sea area Rockal. Incidently believed lowest recorded tide in 20 century up to that date was on 9 March 1993, of 0.1m and HT of 4.9m. Odd coincidence the worst maritime flooding in living memory was the Canvey Island flood again on Sunday, Feb 01 , 1953 when tide was mid spring-neap but a severe depression of 968 mB. More flooding Monday 27 Dec 1999 when there was 4 foot of water in Waterloo Rd, Lymington , Fulmar Rd , Hythe and half submerged cars at Hurst Spit car park, mid day , Selsey and Pevensey sea defences breached, predicted pressure was 992mB and tides of 4.5 and 4.3m. Associated with a bad storm in N France, nothing untoward predicted by the French Met service, 107mph wind and 31 people killed in N France, just a low over Poland, their equivalent of Oct 1987 English storm. According to an old boy of Northam extraction , the Coopers pub had a dated tide-mark for when the pub flooded numerous times. When I went to see in 2007 it was closed and for sale.
Locally highest spring tides are 1 to 3 days after new and full moons. Moon Date http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phase2001gmt.html
Running freeware tide calculator WXTide32 from July 2006 to Oct 2007 the highest predicted tides for Pompey setting, with usual caveats about taking independent advice and that low barometric pressures can easily over-ride such predictions. For 5.1m on 07 Oct 2006 11.57 GMT, 08 Oct 12.35, 28 Sep 2007 12.48, 26 Oct 2007 11.43, 27 Oct 2007 12.24 and for 5.0 m tides in 2006 08,09,10 Sep; 08,09 Oct ; 05,06 Nov; and 2007 18,22 Mar ; 27,28, 29 Sep; 25,27,28 Oct . Portsmouth 5.1m tides correspond to about 4.9m Southampton First High Water height, about 30 minutes earlier than Pompey for such extreme spring high tides. In fact running the program from 2006 to Nov 2020 shows no higher predicted tides than 5.1m . I've checked this WXTide32 calculator against some old south coast tide tables of 1985,1987 and 2002 and some current newspaper predictions, consistent to within about 10 minutes and 0.1m . A Tide Calendar/calculator for Dutch ports is on http://www.getij.nl/index.cfm?taal=en, for selecting Vlissingen (Flushing) ,GMT and LAT, then deduct about 2 hours 35 mins (variation 2 hours 20min to 2 hours 50min extreme times not coincident with extreme tide range ) and deduct about 0.4 metres (variation 0.1m to 0.7m) from the Vlissingen times and heights for Southampton first High Water times and heights. Using WXTide32 with offset is more accurate.
Predicted Tide Heights for 2006 to 2007, using WXtide32 and Pompey settings.
For 5.1m in 2006 07 Oct 2006 11.57 GMT, 08 Oct 12.35, 2007 28 Sep 2007 12.48, 26 Oct 2007 11.43, 27 Oct 2007 12.24 and for 5.0 m tides in 2006 08,09,10 Sep; 08,09 Oct ; 05,06 Nov; 2007 18,22 Mar ; 27,28, 29 Sep; 25,27,28 Oct . Portsmouth 5.1mtides correspond to about 4.9m Southampton First High Water height. In fact running the program from 2006 to Nov 2020 shows no higher predicted tides than 5.1m. Spreads of days when the predicted heights for Portsmouth have at least one tide greater than 4.7m. Add a simple pop-up date reminder / calendar alarm like the freeware J.M. Falcao one on http://www.webxpace.net/software/software.html to flash up a reminder on your pc on the relevant days to check local tide times, . Save or even create the DateRemind.DAT file as a text file consisting of
High Tides check 07/10/06 High Tides check 08/10/06etc, etc if you should manage to erase the calendar file by clicking Exit rather than Minimise. Then outside of the running application just change the file name to DateRimind.DAT Also monitor local atmospheric pressure (get a barometer and tap it daily), and port say http://www.pol.ac.uk/ntslf/pltdata_tgi_ntslf_v2.php?code=Portsmouth&span=1 for nearby ports giving the signature of increasing difference between the blue and red ( actual tide heights and predicted )
Snapshot showing a storm surge 0.5m elevated peak at about 22.00 on 21 Sep 2006 when the Portsmouth atmospheric pressure was 1002mB and rising and had been locally that +/- 3mB for the previous 24 hours. So that increase was due to an effect at a distance - the final gasp of Hurricane Gordon passing to the west of Ireland. Closest approach about noon on 21 Sep 480 miles distant. A good tidal bellweather for Southampton would seem to be monitoring the pol.ac.uk tide gauge for Bournemouth as their first high water precedes by about 2.5 hours and any excess over predicted at Bournemouth is likely to affect Southampton even if the Plymouth and Dover gauges show nothing untoward. eg 18 Jan 2005 (high SW winds in the English Channel ) we can usually assume that barometric pressure at Bournemouth is much the same as Soton, that day 990mB, a 0.5m surge at Bournemouth evident at about 04.00 ,4 hours before their high water and 6 hours before first high water at Soton, predicted 4.4m at 10.03, turned out to be 0.6m over predicted, 6 hours later. At end of October 2006 a fairly minor 980mB depression tracked N of Scotland to Norway and back into the North Sea. Analysing that tidal surge that killed a beach angler at Kessingland and seawater flooded the main A12 Tracking around the SE approximate readings and times
Whitby ,excess over predicted of, 1m 20.00 , 31 Oct to 06.00 , 01Nov 2006
Cromer 1.2m 0200 to 1000 , 01 Nov
Harwich 1.4m 0000 to 0900
Felixstowe 1.5m 0000 down to 1m 1000
Sheerness 1.8m 0000 to 1.5m 0500
(Not far from Canvey Island, scene of the 1953 flood about the same time of night) Dover 1.2m 0000 to 1m 0300
Newhaven 0.7m 23.00 ,31 Oct to 0100 , 01 Nov
Portsmouth peak of 0.7m at 0200
Bournemouth .7m 0100 to 0300
Weymouth 0.6m 0100 to 0300
The Thames Estuary seems a good place for anomalies "anti surge" anti-residual at Sheerness of maximum (minmnimum ?) of 1.4m below predicted at 0700 Sunday 20 Nov 2006. That by then -0.9m antisurge peak/trough? passed Dover at 1000 , 20 Nov and Portsmouth of about -0.7m at about 1200 , 20 Nov. The strongest winds for the greatest duration over that period seemed to be along the South Coast but the anti-surge effect occured strongest and earliest in the Thames sea area. Does anyone know if there was extreme currents going NE through the Dover Straits causing some sort of Venturi effect in the southern North Sea. ? SW Winds at Chichester Bar were averaging 30 to 45 mph from 1900 of the 19th to 0700 on the 20th. Cliffsend / Margate averaging 20 to 35 mph 2100 on the 19th to 1000 on the 20th. Ipswich 15 to 20mph 2100 19th to 0600 20th Nov Atmosheric pressure was fairly stable between 1010mB and 1014 mB Looking at the BODC data for Sheerness station 1990 to 2002. Not unusual for large anti-residuals for more than -2m
1997/02/19 22.00 to 0830 next day with peak/trough of -2.26m
1990/12/25 17.00 peak/trough of -2m
and loads more >1 , <2m Those two events are too early to have archived synoptics on http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/tkfaxbraar.htm The next , in severity, Sheerness anti-surges 34310) 1999/12/24 09:15:00 -1.9m peak/trough from the archived chart time 00.00 12/24 a 957mB low about 60N, 10W and 1008mB at Thames and isobars running up the English Channel 28753) 2002/10/27 12:00:00 -1.8m peak/trough time 00.00 10.27 975mB nearer low at about 53N, 10W and 1004mB at Thames and isobars running up the English Channel.
09 November 2007 and that North Sea Tidal surge , the biggest anomaly I am aware of was Harwich http://www.diversed.fsnet.co.uk/harwich09112007.jpg 2.2m over predicted 2 hours after LW. That day maxima excess Whitby 1.6m at their local LW, Cromer 1.8m about 2 hours before local LW to LW, Sheerness 2.2m 2 hour after local LW, Dover 1.4m at their LW. Interestingly into the English Channel, Newhaven 0.8m at LW, Portsmouth 0.8m at LW + 3hr and still 0.45m excess at local HW. Southampton had a 0.5m excess at local HW and Bournmouth 0.5m excess at their LW plus 4 hr. No observable effect by Plymouth. 01 March , 2008 1m tidal surge at Southampton HW but on a neap tide of 3.4m at 1900 so made no impression. Portsmouth 0.8m at 18.00, Felixstowe that day had a 2m excess at 12.00 to 15.00,Dover 1.5m at 14.00 , Plymouth 0.4m 19.00 hours, Avonmouth 1.2m at 18.00 hours.
St Denys flooding of 10 March , 2008
My prediction on the 08 March was for the surge around the UK to be much as 26 December 1999 and 25th , N Atlantic charts from http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/tkfaxbraar.htm 0.7m over predicted 4.7m and a 5.5m tide in Southampton Water. The morning started with the tide in Southampton Water 06.50 and Southampton Water 1.6m higher than it should be , because of a local low going through. Bellweather Bournemouth did its stuff. .65m over predicted at their high tide at 10.30, multiply by 1.3 for Southamton corresponding tide.
Reached 5.60m at 12.10 at the Dock Head on 10 Mar 2008 so 0.9m over predicted and pressure of 965.3 mBar. The very start, water just emerging from , not to, the drain at Priory Rd Hard at 11.35, when the tide at dock head was 5.17m.
soon reaching the crown of the road
With large red van blocking the road in Priory Rd. Forces the conflict of interest in favour of the residents. Drivers want to speed through floods and residents don't want bow vaves thrusting indoors, after all they've only to reverse and go round the other way. Viewed from the Junction inn at the height of the flood which extended to gutter level adjascent to 84 Priory Rd. In 1989 it extended 0.1 to 0.2m higher.
On the hard, seawater encroaching the grass area
Very difficult situation to take pictures, exposed to the wind and driving rain.
becoming an island with water at the top of the hard
The water coming up the storm drain system through the drain in the centre of the hard carpark and just before the water started to flow over the top of the hard and time to leave , before getting isolated/trapped
Under the Priory Rd railway bridge
Pettinger gardens , the water up to the gap in the houses
At this point the rain turned to driving hail , thunder and lightening and Cobden Bridge not a place to hang around.
4 pictures taken by RC , taken from the Riverside Park area
One of the residents of Priory Rd ready to be airlifted out ;-)
The flood line at the Saltmead end of Priory Rd, 0.03m above the concrete under the main line of fencing at the nearest outfall, flooding 3 roads in the Saltmead area.
Swanning around in what is normally the kid's play area of Riverside Park
View back to Cobden Bridge, the V denotes a houseboat gangplank that is normally about horizontal at high water.
Southampton, 19 Jan 2009, neap tides, at time 03.40 peak height of 4.57m, about 0.8m over predicted and then on 23 jan 2009, 0840 about 0.7m over predicted, still neapish
NB for
PORTSMOUTH
tides greater than 4.7 metres for 2009 and 2010. High tide times marked H and 24 hour clock followed by heights in metres. Colour coded as follows5.1m = 5.1
5.0m = 5.0
4.9m = 4.9
4.8m = 4.8
4.7m = 4.7
Corresponding low tide times and heights preceeded by the letter L. For other coastal areas around the UK the days of highest tides are still applicable but ignore the actual times or discover the conversion factors for your area - you'd expect a cross-table of the main port's approximate tidal difference times relative to each other port to be available somewhere on the net. Some tidal differences at end of table. For corresponding Southampton first high water times deduct about 25 minutes to 75 minutes dependent on complicated neap/flood/new/full/equinox/solstice factors , and deduct about 0.2m from the heights. For Southampton low water times , ranges from adding about 7 minutes if a day or two after new or full moon to subtracting about 40 minutes, 9 to 11 days, after new or full moon , fairly invariant from equinoxes, and deduct about 0.2m from the heights. Portsmouth Predicted Extreme High Tides for 2009 , 2010, Times are GMT and BST where appropriate
2009
Jan11 Jan12 Jan13 Jan14 Jan15 Jan16
L0417 1.1 L0504 0.9 H0029 4.9 H0116 4.8 H0209 4.8 H0335 4.7
H1109 4.7 H1154 4.8 L0549 0.8 L0633 0.8 L0716 0.9 L0758 1.1
L1642 0.7 L1728 0.6 H1239 4.8 H1325 4.7 H1414 4.6 H1511 4.4
H2344 4.8 L1811 0.5 L1854 0.6 L1936 0.7 L2019 1.0
Feb09 Feb10 Feb11 Feb12 Feb13
L0406 1.0 L0449 0.8 H0011 4.9 H0051 4.8 H0134 4.8
H1102 4.7 H1141 4.8 L0530 0.7 L0610 0.7 L0649 0.7
L1628 0.6 L1710 0.5 H1221 4.8 H1301 4.7 H1344 4.6
H2333 4.8 L1749 0.4 L1829 0.5 L1907 0.6
Feb25 Feb26 Feb27 Feb28
L0445 1.1 L0518 1.0 H0025 4.7 H0055 4.7
H1134 4.6 H1204 4.6 L0550 0.9 L0624 0.9
L1701 0.9 L1733 0.8 H1235 4.7 H1308 4.6
H2356 4.7 L1806 0.7 L1840 0.7
Mar01
H0129 4.7
L0700 0.9
H1345 4.6
L1918 0.8
Mar09 Mar10 Mar11 Mar12 Mar13 Mar14
L0307 1.2 L0348 0.9 L0428 0.7 L0507 0.6 H0023 4.8 H0101 4.7
H1011 4.5 H1048 4.7 H1123 4.7 H1159 4.7 L0545 0.6 L0622 0.7
L1527 0.9 L1608 0.6 L1647 0.5 L1725 0.5 H1237 4.7 H1316 4.6
H2240 4.7 H2314 4.8 H2347 4.8 L1803 0.5 L1839 0.7
Mar26 Mar27 Mar28
L0412 1.0 L0447 0.9 L0522 0.7
H1101 4.6 H1133 4.7 H1207 4.7
L1628 0.8 L1704 0.7 L1740 0.7
H2320 4.7 H2351 4.8
Mar29 Mar30
H0026 4.8 H0205 4.7
L0700 0.7 L0739 0.7
H1345 4.7 H1428 4.6
L1918 0.7 L1959 0.8
Mar29 Mar30
H0026 4.8 H0205 4.7
L0700 0.7 L0739 0.7
H1345 4.7 H1428 4.6
L1918 0.7 L1959 0.8
Apr08 Apr09 Apr10 Apr11
L0425 0.9 L0504 0.8 H0022 4.7 H0057 4.7
H1130 4.6 H1203 4.6 L0543 0.7 L0621 0.7
L1643 0.7 L1723 0.6 H1238 4.6 H1315 4.6
H2350 4.7 L1801 0.7 L1838 0.8
Apr24
L0438 1.0
H1127 4.5
L1656 0.9
H2344 4.7
Apr26 Apr27 Apr28
H0022 4.7 H0103 4.7 H0148 4.7
L0558 0.7 L0640 0.7 L0724 0.7
H1244 4.7 H1329 4.7 H1419 4.6
L1817 0.7 L1901 0.8 L1947 1.0
Apr26 Apr27 Apr28
H0022 4.7 H0103 4.7 H0148 4.7
L0558 0.7 L0640 0.7 L0724 0.7
H1244 4.7 H1329 4.7 H1419 4.6
L1817 0.7 L1901 0.8 L1947 1.0
May25 May26
H0000 4.7 H0047 4.7
L0538 0.7 L0626 0.7
H1229 4.6 H1321 4.6
L1801 0.9 L1849 0.9
Jun24 Jun25 Jun26
H0038 4.7 H0129 4.7 H0220 4.6
L0616 0.6 L0705 0.6 L0753 0.6
H1314 4.7 H1407 4.7 H1504 4.7
L1840 0.9 L1929 0.9 L2017 0.9
Jul23 Jul24 Jul25
H0029 4.7 H0114 4.7 H0200 4.7
L0604 0.6 L0648 0.4 L0732 0.4
H1302 4.8 H1348 4.8 H1438 4.8
L1826 0.8 L1910 0.7 L1954 0.8
Jul26
H0249 4.6
L0814 0.6
H1621 4.7
L2037 0.9
Aug23 Aug24
H0136 4.8 H0220 4.7
L0707 0.4 L0747 0.6
H1405 4.8 H1452 4.7
L1927 0.7 L2007 0.8
Sep05
H0019 4.6
L0546 0.9
H1240 4.7
L1802 1.1
Sep06 Sep07 Sep08
H0049 4.6 H0118 4.6 H0148 4.6
L0617 0.9 L0647 0.9 L0719 0.9
H1308 4.7 H1336 4.7 H1406 4.7
L1833 1.0 L1904 1.0 L1937 1.0
Sep17 Sep18 Sep19
L0401 1.0 L0443 0.7 L0523 0.6
H1109 4.7 H1145 4.9 H1220 4.9
L1623 1.1 L1704 0.8 L1744 0.6
H2321 4.7 H2357 4.8
Sep20 Sep21 Sep22
H0034 4.9 H0113 4.8 H0153 4.7
L0603 0.5 L0642 0.6 L0720 0.7
H1257 4.9 H1335 4.8 H1416 4.7
L1823 0.6 L1902 0.7 L1940 0.9
Oct03
L0438 1.1
H1135 4.7
L1656 1.2
H2346 4.6
Oct04 Oct05 Oct06 Oct07 Oct08
L0511 1.0 H0016 4.7 H0048 4.7 H0123 4.7 H0201 4.7
H1203 4.8 L0545 0.9 L0620 0.9 L0655 0.9 L0733 1.0
L1729 1.0 H1233 4.8 H1305 4.8 H1340 4.8 H1421 4.7
L1803 0.9 L1838 0.9 L1915 0.9 L1955 1.0
Oct16 Oct17
L0338 1.1 L0420 0.9
H1051 4.8 H1125 4.9
L1601 1.1 L1642 0.9
H2305 4.7 H2340 4.8
Oct18 Oct19 Oct20 Oct21
L0500 0.8 H0016 4.8 H0054 4.7 H0134 4.7
H1158 4.9 L0540 0.7 L0619 0.8 L0657 1.0
L1722 0.8 H1234 4.9 H1311 4.8 H1351 4.6
L1801 0.8 L1840 0.8 L1917 1.0
Nov02 Nov03 Nov04 Nov05 Nov06
L0338 1.1 L0416 1.0 L0456 1.0 H0005 4.8 H0052 4.7
H1028 4.8 H1103 4.8 H1141 4.8 L0538 1.0 L0622 1.1
L1559 1.0 L1637 0.9 L1718 0.9 H1223 4.8 H1310 4.7
H2247 4.7 H2324 4.8 L1800 0.9 L1846 1.0
Nov14
L0211 1.3
H0928 4.7
L1438 1.3
H2148 4.5
Nov15 Nov16 Nov17 Nov18
L0257 1.2 L0340 1.1 L0422 1.1 L0502 1.1
H1004 4.7 H1039 4.7 H1116 4.7 H1155 4.7
L1521 1.1 L1603 1.0 L1644 1.0 L1724 1.0
H2225 4.6 H2302 4.6 H2341 4.6
Dec01 Dec02 Dec03 Dec04 Dec05
L0307 1.3 L0353 1.2 L0439 1.1 L0527 1.1 H0048 4.8
H0957 4.7 H1040 4.8 H1125 4.8 H1213 4.8 L0616 1.1
L1532 1.1 L1617 1.0 L1704 0.9 L1752 0.8 H1304 4.7
H2224 4.6 H2309 4.7 H2357 4.8 L1841 0.9
Dec06
H0142 4.7
L0706 1.2
H1357 4.6
L1932 1.0
2010
BST starts 28 March and ends 31 October, local times shown below
Jan-01 Jan-02
L0429 1.0 L0516 0.9
H1117 4.8 H1203 4.9
L1654 0.7 L1740 0.6
H2350 4.8
Jan-03 Jan-04 Jan-05 Jan-06
H0036 4.9 H0124 4.9 H0217 4.8 H0317 4.7
L0603 0.8 L0649 0.8 L0736 0.9 L0823 1.1
H1249 4.8 H1338 4.8 H1431 4.6 H1532 4.5
L1826 0.5 L1912 0.6 L1958 0.8 L2046 1.0
Jan-29 Jan-30
L0328 1.2 L0416 0.9
H1022 4.6 H1106 4.8
L1554 0.8 L1639 0.6
H2255 4.7 H2336 4.9
Jan-31 Feb-01 Feb-02 Feb-03 Feb-04
L0501 0.7 H0017 5.0 H0101 5.0 H0149 4.9 H0244 4.7
H1148 4.9 L0545 0.6 L0628 0.6 L0711 0.7 L0755 0.9
L1723 0.4 H1231 4.9 H1316 4.8 H1405 4.7 H1501 4.5
L1806 0.3 L1849 0.4 L1932 0.6 L2016 0.9
Feb-27
L0313 1.1
H1009 4.6
L1536 0.8
H2238 4.7
Feb-28 Mar-01 Mar-02 Mar-03 Mar-04 Mar-05
L0358 0.8 L0441 0.6 L0523 0.4 H0036 4.9 H0120 4.8 H0208 4.7
H1050 4.8 H1130 4.9 H1210 4.9 L0604 0.4 L0646 0.6 L0727 0.8
L1620 0.5 L1701 0.3 L1743 0.3 H1253 4.8 H1339 4.7 H1431 4.5
H2316 4.9 H2355 5.0 L1824 0.4 L1905 0.6 L1947 0.9
Mar-28 Mar-29 Mar-30 Mar-31 Apr-01 Apr-02
L0253 1.1 L0336 0.8 L0419 0.6 L0500 0.5 H0012 4.8 H0054 4.7
H0952 4.5 H1032 4.7 H1111 4.8 H1150 4.8 L0541 0.5 L0622 0.6
L1514 0.8 L1557 0.5 L1638 0.4 L1720 0.4 H1233 4.7 H1318 4.6
H2218 4.7 H2255 4.9 H2332 4.9 L1800 0.5 L1841 0.7
Apr-26 Apr-27 Apr-28 Apr-29
L0229 1.1 L0314 0.9 L0357 0.7 L0439 0.6
H0932 4.5 H1014 4.6 H1054 4.6 H1135 4.6
L1449 0.9 L1534 0.7 L1616 0.7 L1659 0.7
H2155 4.7 H2234 4.7 H2312 4.7 H2353 4.7
Jul-12 Jul-13 Jul-14 Jul-15 Jul-16
L0432 0.8 L0518 0.6 H0026 4.7 H0113 4.7 H0203 4.6
H1129 4.6 H1213 4.7 L0603 0.5 L0648 0.5 L0733 0.6
L1654 0.9 L1740 0.8 H1259 4.8 H1348 4.8 H1445 4.7
H2341 4.7 L1825 0.8 L1911 0.8 L1958 0.9
Aug-09 Aug-10 Aug-11 Aug-12 Aug-13 Aug-14
L0330 1.0 L0415 0.7 L0459 0.4 H0005 4.9 H0049 4.9 H0137 4.8
H1029 4.6 H1110 4.8 H1151 4.9 L0542 0.3 L0625 0.3 L0708 0.5
L1552 1.0 L1637 0.8 L1721 0.6 H1234 4.9 H1320 4.9 H1411 4.8
H2241 4.7 H2323 4.8 L1804 0.5 L1847 0.6 L1931 0.8
Sep-07 Sep-08 Sep-09 Sep-10 Sep-11
L0310 0.9 L0354 0.6 L0437 0.4 L0519 0.3 H0026 4.9
H1010 4.7 H1048 4.9 H1127 5.0 H1208 5.0 L0601 0.4
L1533 0.9 L1616 0.7 L1658 0.5 L1740 0.5 H1251 5.0
H2223 4.8 H2303 4.9 H2343 5.0 L1822 0.5
Sep-12
H0112 4.8
L0643 0.6
H1339 4.8
L1905 0.7
Sep-23 Sep-24 Sep-25
L0418 1.0 L0449 1.0 L0519 1.0
H1113 4.7 H1142 4.7 H1209 4.7
L1635 1.1 L1706 1.1 L1734 1.1
H2324 4.6 H2353 4.6
Sep-26
H0021 4.6
L0548 1.0
H1235 4.7
L1803 1.1
Oct-06 Oct-07 Oct-08 Oct-09
L0247 1.0 L0331 0.7 L0414 0.5 L0456 0.5
H0948 4.8 H1026 5.0 H1105 5.0 H1145 5.0
L1511 0.9 L1554 0.7 L1636 0.5 L1718 0.5
H2204 4.8 H2244 4.9 H2324 5.0
Oct-10 Oct-11
H0006 4.9 H0052 4.8
L0538 0.6 L0620 0.8
H1228 4.9 H1314 4.8
L1800 0.6 L1843 0.8
Oct-22 Oct-23
L0345 1.2 L0418 1.2
H1043 4.7 H1111 4.7
L1603 1.2 L1635 1.1
H2257 4.6 H2327 4.6
Oct-24 Oct-25
L0450 1.1 L0522 1.1
H1139 4.7 H1208 4.7
L1707 1.1 L1740 1.1
H2357 4.6
Nov-04 Nov-05 Nov-06
L0222 1.1 L0309 0.9 L0353 0.8
H0926 4.8 H1008 4.9 H1048 4.9
L1448 1.1 L1533 0.8 L1617 0.7
H2147 4.7 H2229 4.8 H2311 4.8
Nov-07 Nov-08 Nov-09
L0437 0.8 L0520 0.9 H0042 4.7
H1129 4.9 H1212 4.8 L0603 1.0
L1700 0.7 L1743 0.8 H1256 4.7
H2355 4.8 L1826 1.0
Nov-22 Nov-23 Nov-24
L0425 1.3 L0503 1.3 H0019 4.6
H1116 4.7 H1151 4.7 L0543 1.3
L1646 1.1 L1724 1.0 H1231 4.7
H2341 4.6 L1805 1.0
Dec-04
L0250 1.2
H0955 4.7
L1517 1.1
H2224 4.6
Dec-05 Dec-06 Dec-07
L0338 1.1 L0424 1.1 L0508 1.1
H1038 4.7 H1120 4.7 H1201 4.7
L1603 1.0 L1648 0.9 L1731 0.9
H2308 4.6 H2351 4.7
Dec-22 Dec-23 Dec-24 Dec-25
L0450 1.2 H0010 4.7 H0053 4.7 H0139 4.7
H1139 4.7 L0533 1.2 L0618 1.1 L0704 1.1
L1713 0.9 H1221 4.7 H1305 4.7 H1353 4.7
L1756 0.8 L1841 0.8 L1927 0.9
Dec-26
H0230 4.7
L0752 1.2
H1445 4.6
L2015 1.0
For part 2006 to 2008 peak tide predictions look in the
archives for earlier versions of this file.
Now for Southampton especially for trying to
predict over-night high tides will be higher than predicted.
As VTS guage outputs are not graphed.
Time after low water,flooding to a "4.5m" height, "4.9m" height and for one monitored "5.1m" tide
Add these heights to the predicted low water heights.
1/2 hour,0.3m, 0.3m, 0.3m
1 hour , 0.8m, 0.9m, 1.0m
1.5h , 1.3m, 1.4m, 1.5m
2h, 1.7m, 1.8m, 1.9m
2.5h, 1.9m, 2.0m, 2.1m
3h, 2.0m, 2.1m, 2.2m
3.5h, 2.0m, 2.2m, 2.4m
4h, 2.2m, 2.4m, 2.7m
4.5h, 2.4m, 2.5m, 3.3m
5h, 3.1m, 3.3m, 3.6m
5.5h, 3.8m, 4.1m, 4.7m
6h , 4.3m, 4.6m, 5.1m
6.5h, 4.5m, 4.9m, 5.1m
Some Tidal Difference times hours and minutes, but very approximate, relative to Liverpool
but no knowledge whether they relate to average high tides or
springs. The + sign means earlier by that time , not added to Liverpool time.
ie If known predicted Liverpool High tide is 10.41 then Avonmouth is
04.14 hours earlier, at 06.27
Avonmouth +4 14
Bantry +5 59
Bardsey Is. -3 18
Barrow +0 15
Belfast -0 06
Blackpool -0 10
Cardigan -3 37
Carlisle +1 22
Carmarthen -5 02
Donegal -5 24
Dover -0 13
Drummore +0 35
Dublin +0 32
Dundalk +0 22
Dungarvan -5 48
Falmouth -6 11
Fishguard -4 00
Fleetwood +0 02
Gallway -6 08
Glasgow +1 39
Grange over Sands+0 12
Greenock +1 11
Heysham +0 06
Holyhead -0 48
Lancaster +0 05
Larne -0 04
Limerick -4 24
Liverpool 0.00
London Bridge +2 39
Lytham -0 10
Maryport +0 24
Milford Haven -5 07
Newlyn +5 47
Newquay -6 12
Penzance +5 47
Plymouth -5 41
Porth Dinllaen -2 00
Portpatrick +0 22
Portsmouth +0 16
Preston +0 10
St. Mary's (Scilly) +5 54
Shannon River -6 09
Southport -0 15
Stornoway -4 14
Swansea -5 03
Tarn Point +0 05
Torduff Point +1 22
Warren Point +0 17
Waterford -4 54
Whitehaven +0 10
Wick +0 11
Wicklow -0 09
Workington +0 20
eg
If you have the tide times for Dover then add 13
minutes to all the above to convert for other ports.
If you have the tide times for London Bridge then deduct 2h 39m
from all the above to convert for other ports.
Some other useful relevant sites
http://www.chimet.co.uk/default.shtm Chichester Bar sea state etc
To save archived data to disk you need to allow pop-ups
http://www.weather-file.com/hurst/ Hurst Point
http://www.isleofwightweather.co.uk/live_storm_data.htm near real time lightning data
http://www.weatheringosport.co.uk/ current and archived weather data for Gosport
http://www.meteorologica.info/FreeImages/ukisobar.jpg recent UK isobar chart
http://www.meteorologica.info/FreeImages/skymet_uk.jpeg recent UK weather
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/tkfaxbraar.htm archived synoptic charts back to 1998
http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/tide24.zip is a DOS tide predictor
http://tourism.ceredigion.gov.uk/saesneg/tides.htm some Welsh tide tables
http://www.portoflondon.co.uk/display_fixedpage.cfm/id/11/site/maritime some London centred tide tables
with Southampton data but not very accurate compared to
just time shifting the WXtide32 pompey plots for southampton
for first high water. It often shows triple high waters
to confuse matters, to split into
day predictions. Output text file needs macro to
replace first commas in each line with dots for 24 hour clock
Some extreme Hampshire weather records http://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/weather
Some other factors the IOW area is sinking at the
rate of about 0.6mm per year due to recovery from
the last ice age. IPCC 2001 meta-analysis report puts world sea level rise
between 1990 and 2040 with lower bound 3 and upper bound 30 cm.
From BODC data for Lerwick , between 1957 and 1999
mean sea level has only risen 30 mm relative to the rising land there.
But for Portsmouth between 1962 and 2002 then sea level
relative to presumably sinking Portsmouth then 170mm rise.
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